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The FBI is the most sophisticated law enforcement agency in the world pursuing the most dangerous criminals. In Anchorage, when a nurse practitioner doesn’t show up for work, you start thinking about the horrifying emotional fear and trauma and terror that she went through. The bureau mobilizes.
“We didn’t have really one strong piece of evidence and we didn’t have Mindy. I didn’t know what had happened to her, but I didn’t think she was coming home.”
August 4th, 2007. It’s around 1:30 a.m. in Alaska and 52-year-old Mindy Schloss, a psychiatric nurse practitioner, is planning her Saturday. A relative newcomer to Anchorage, Mindy’s day includes errands and lunch with a friend. Before going to bed, she sends a few emails, then logs off for the night.
“Saturday, when I called her, there was no answer. And then on Sunday, her cell phone was full, not taking messages, and that was not like Mindy.”
Jerry Yet has been best friends with Mindy for 18 years and knows everything about her, including her favorite pastime.
“Mindy had a jones for picking blueberries. That’s all I could say. It was something she was obsessed with. And that was a very common present you would get from Mindy—jams or cheesecakes with blueberries in them, bundt cakes with blueberries in them.”
Jerry often goes to Mindy’s house to take care of her cat while Mindy’s away. This Monday, something is off.
“When I got there, the door handle on the door seemed a little loose, but it was locked. There were bills that were half-paid on the table. There was an empty wine bottle sitting in the kitchen. And it just looked different. And so I called her supervisor and said I hadn’t been able to contact Mindy.”
“Well, she didn’t show up for work this morning.”
“Okay, thanks.”
Mindy commutes 360 miles to her job in Fairbanks every other week and almost never misses work. Concerned, Mindy’s boss calls the Anchorage police to report that she might be missing.
“For her to not show up when she has patients scheduled? She would never do that.”
Police immediately do a routine check of Mindy’s house looking for anything suspicious, but there are no signs of forced entry. Then, Mindy misses work again on Tuesday. Her boss makes another call to Anchorage police.
“I was on my way home one night and a sergeant of our unit called and said that we had a suspicious missing person and asked if I could come back in and work on the case.”
Detective Pam Pirne has worked homicide for the last 5 years and knows something’s amiss.
“She was very responsible, reliable person that took commitment very seriously and had never been out of contact for this long.”
Detective Pirne begins the investigation back at Mindy’s house.
“Jerry Yet, Mindy’s really good friend, showed up and we talked inside the house for a while and she told me the things that seemed out of place to her. I noticed the garage was empty and one of the things that Jerry said was that her car should be in the garage. It was uncharacteristic of Mindy to drive her car to the airport or anything like that.”
Jerry wants to believe that her friend is okay, but a check of Mindy’s airline records reveals that she never even boarded the plane. Detective Pirne is certain that something sinister has taken place.
“Something had happened to her. I didn’t know what had happened to her, but I didn’t think she was coming home.”
Detective Pirne combs through Mindy’s bank records.
“You just kind of can look at someone’s bank information and figure out if things are normal in their life at that point or if things are unusual and something’s wrong.”
She notices suspicious activity on Mindy’s statements: two $500 ATM withdrawals from two different banks the day after Mindy disappeared.
“They said that it was unusual for her to withdraw cash, and the cash withdrawals were in the early morning hours.”
Detective Pirne reviews surveillance footage from the Wells Fargo and Credit Union One banks taken in the early hours of the morning. What she sees next confirms that it wasn’t Mindy taking out the cash, and it was a white male.
“And he had a bandana pulled up just under his eyes, and he had a hat on, a baseball cap on. It looked like he was trying to disguise who he was.”
Detective Pirne is now certain Mindy is in danger. She needs help fast and knows the most relentless investigators of murder and money are the FBI. She contacts Special Agent Mike Thorson. He hits the ground running, starting with the only lead: the bank videos.
“The first time I took a look at that video coverage from the Wells Fargo bank, I knew that something had happened to Mindy.”
Agent Thorson analyzes footage of the first transaction at Wells Fargo.
“From the left, you can see a white male standing outside, appears to be doing something, walks into the bank, walks straight up to the ATM machine. You can see he’s wearing a bandana, wearing a blue puffy-style jacket, backpack, and you just saw that he pulled down the bandana, revealing his mouth and his nose. He’s conducting a balance inquiry into the account. The ATM then displays that that account has approximately $20,000 in it.”
That same man leaves and returns to the ATM four times. Agent Thorson deduces that Mindy’s card had become trapped in the machine.
“My belief was that he was trying everything that he could to get that ATM card back because he knew there was $20,000 sitting in a bank account that he just lost his access to.”
Agent Thorson fast-forwards through the video and gets a break: a possible witness at the Credit Union One.
“We saw a person going into the bank that was not wearing a disguise, walked in the bank, performed his transaction, received his money, and then exited the bank.”
Agent Thorson begins trying to identify the witness, but it’s going to take time to track him down. And with so little to go on, Mindy’s time may be running out.
“I think I knew at the time she disappeared. My heart said there’s not going to be a good outcome.”
5 days after 52-year-old Mindy Schloss’s disappearance, the FBI and Anchorage police are frantically trying to find her. Special Agent Jolene Goden is questioning everyone who has crossed Mindy’s path.
“We were looking at family, we were looking at friends, because we were looking at basically anybody who knew her that would have had access to her that day, would have had a motive to do something to her.”
Mindy’s boyfriend is questioned but is able to prove he was in another city the night she disappeared. Investigators also learn that Mindy was getting bids from contractors to do work on her home.
“She had some home repair, remodeling type things that she was in the process of getting started on.”
One worker was the last person to see Mindy in her home before she disappeared. Another worker turns out to have a criminal record. Could one of the workers have killed Mindy and stolen her debit card?
Before long, a friend spots what could be Mindy’s red Acura Integra near a cargo facility at Anchorage International Airport.
“Just driving down the street, happened to look over, pulled in, compared the license plates, and sure enough, it turned out to be Mindy’s car.”
FBI agent Mike Thorson and his team think they’re on to something when they find surveillance video of the parking lot.
“We’re able to see Mindy Schloss’s red Acura come into view, park in a stall, and see what appears to be a male wearing a backpack exit the vehicle and then walk outside of view of the camera.”
But they can’t identify the man because he’s too far away from the surveillance camera. Their frustration grows.
“When we see the video footage, you have another potential lead that ends up going really nowhere.”
Without a positive ID, investigators pin their hopes on finding a clue inside Mindy’s car.
“We found inside the car Mindy Schloss’s purse, house keys, car keys, a wallet—everything except for her ATM card.”
They also gather forensic evidence, which they hope will tell them who was driving Mindy’s car, but the results will take weeks, and the FBI doesn’t have that kind of time. Special Agent Jolene Goden reaches out to Washington, D.C.
“We contacted our evidence response team unit out of headquarters and then asked them if they would deploy the human scent dogs as well as cadaver dogs out to Anchorage to assist.”
Supervisory Special Agent Rex Stockham helped create the bureau’s forensic canine program in 1999. He makes the decision to assist the Anchorage unit in their search for Mindy.
“The decision to bring five dogs was pretty simple for us. We had a lot of square miles, if you will, to cover, both looking for the body and looking for the offender.”
As the FBI readies its dogs, Anchorage PD canvases Mindy’s neighborhood. Detective Pam Pirne goes door-to-door asking residents if they’ve seen anything unusual. They all mention Mindy’s next-door neighbors.
“Every single house pointed to this house, saying that this house had a lot of young people that were living in it, that it was loud, there were parties, people coming and going at all hours of the night.”
When investigators finally do speak to residents of that house, they can’t get a straight answer.
“They’d just be very evasive about who all lived in the house, how many people lived there, anything having to do with who was in that house. Why are they hiding something? What is it? What’s going on that they’re not willing to really talk about who’s there?”
Kathy Easley lives next door to the home in question. But before detectives can speak to her, a neighbor knocks on her door.
“A guy from next door named Josh came over. I came to the door and sort of had it half-open.”
“Hey, I live next door, of course, you know I’ve seen you around. I have a question: Has anybody come to you looking for me or anything, because if anybody…”
“Hey, you know I don’t want anybody to know that I’m living next door.”
“Why?”
“Well, I have a warrant out for my arrest. Well, nobody knows that I’m there and the police I think are in the neighborhood.”
“Well, I don’t talk to anybody.”
The neighbor leaves, and minutes later, Detective Pirne shows up, but Kathy’s too scared to talk.
“I stepped out on my porch. I’m just checking in with the neighbors and looked over, and he’s looking out the window watching me talk to the police. So I made some pretty big hand gestures to them that I didn’t know anything about it, I don’t know anything, and just shook my head a few times so that I knew he would see that.”
“Well, if you do notice anything out of the ordinary, do me a favor and give me a call.”
“Okay, thank you so much.”
Later, Kathy calls Detective Pirne and leaves a cryptic message. She says she doesn’t want to be interviewed at home because she’s afraid of her neighbor. Turns out she has good reason to worry; he’s watching her every move.
“You could hear when somebody walked up on the porch, so I kind of walked through to see who was on the porch. Um, Josh from next door was standing there, and I kind of watched, and he just stood there on my porch for a couple of minutes, and he didn’t knock again, he didn’t do anything, you know, he just kind of stood there.”
Detective Pirne assigned surveillance to the house. Eventually, she gets a full name: 27-year-old Joshua Wade. Investigators suspect that if Wade doesn’t have anything to do with Mindy’s disappearance, he might know who does.
August 16th. It’s now been 12 days since Mindy disappeared and the chances of finding her alive are dwindling. The FBI’s forensic canine team arrives in Anchorage. They start at the Wells Fargo Bank where agents present the dogs with scents taken from Mindy’s car. They immediately get a positive response.
“A positive response by our canines means there’s an association between the collected odor and an odor on the ground near the ATM machine. The dog was indicating to us, ‘there’s an odor matching what you’re having me smell present here, I’m going to go follow it.'”
A bloodhound drops down and starts running the trail to the source. It leads them straight to Mindy’s neighborhood.
“You come to Mindy’s house before you come to Josh’s house and the dog kind of went up to Mindy’s house a little bit and sniffed around and then went to the fence that separates the two houses. The dog’s nose went up in the air and then the dog went down the fence line and around the fence and up the front yard of Josh Wade’s house and then went to the side door.”
Agent Goden is watching the dogs closely. To her surprise, a second bloodhound also makes a beeline straight to Joshua Wade’s house.
“I thought it was going to be helpful, but I had no idea that this was going to happen. And so, I was pretty excited.”
Investigators are now suspicious that Joshua Wade knows what happened to Mindy. And they get even more curious when they look into Wade’s past and learn that this isn’t his first brush with the law.
August 12th, 2007. It’s been nearly 2 weeks since anyone has heard from 52-year-old Mindy Schloss and hopes are dwindling that she’s still alive.
“We knew that something had happened to her. We just didn’t know if it was an accident or if somebody had hurt her.”
Agents refocused their investigation, going back to Mindy’s friends and construction workers—people they had previously questioned. None of the leads pan out.
“We ruled out the roommates. We were able to rule out the contractors that had recently been at Mindy’s house. We were able to rule out Mindy’s close friends.”
But there is one person of interest, 27-year-old Joshua Wade, that they don’t rule out, especially when they learn he’s been linked to another missing woman.
7 years before Mindy’s disappearance, a 33-year-old Native Alaskan woman named Della Brown vanishes.
“She was a very outgoing person, a very likable—I mean, she could strike up small talk with just about anybody. That’s just the type of person she was.”
Della was raised by her grandparents. She struggles with drugs and alcohol but still manages to hold down a job as a bingo hostess.
“She was just real outgoing. And if you looked in her direction, ‘Can I get you guys anything else?’ she always smiled back. She had a forever smile.”
On September 2nd, 2000, Della’s body is discovered in an abandoned shack in a rough part of Anchorage. The shack is known around town for drug use, gambling, prostitution, and, tonight, murder.
“Somebody could be back there by that shed for quite some time and nobody would ever notice. If you’re just passing through the area, you wouldn’t even think that anything was going on back there.”
Officer Tim Landis of Anchorage PD is the lead detective on the case.
“She was lying on her back, and she’d obviously had a significant amount of trauma about her head and face.”
Della is beaten so severely that her head is partially caved in. And it appears that she’s been raped. It was believed that she had been beaten to death.
“It’s possibly a rock, and as you can see in the area, there’s lots of rocks in the area. And it’s quite possible that any of these rocks in the area might have been used.”
“He was awful. Nobody wants to hear that kind of news anyway. But we didn’t have a lot of information other than she was killed. But I didn’t know the contents of how badly she was beaten and cut ’cause they kept that from me.”
Detectives have little to go on and scramble to keep the case from going cold. It was very frustrating because we were investigating all the leads that we could find and it just seemed like they led nowhere. Until they get a surprising tip: a group of informants claim a 20-year-old named Joshua Wade saw Della passed out on the side of the road hours before she was murdered. They say he later killed Della in cold blood, then took them to see the body.
“Josh showed up, and he was excited, was sweating, had what appeared to be blood on the front of his hooded sweatshirt. And at some point during that time, Josh was saying, ‘Hey, come over here. Here, I want to show you something.'”
“And took him to the shed and showed him the body.”
“This?”
“Yeah.”
On September 30th, nearly a month after Della Brown’s body was found, police arrest Wade and charge him with sexual assault, murder, and evidence tampering. At trial, Della’s mother sits front and center. Like everyone else, she’s confident there will be a conviction. But the unthinkable happens: Joshua is acquitted on all charges except for tampering with a shovel—that was evidence.
“The case was kind of a perfect storm of events. We didn’t have any witnesses to the actual killing of Della. The informants had a pretty rough past, and by the time we went to trial, they were facing charges themselves. And you combine all those things and it made for a very difficult case.”
Police and family are convinced Wade has gotten away with murder.
“Once they read the verdict of not guilty, absolutely felt sick to my stomach. When he was acquitted, it was a real dark day for me.”
At his hearing, Wade mocks the Anchorage PD.
“And the only person I’m sorry to is her mother. That’s it.”
Wade serves a little more than three years and is released on December 12th, 2006. Now, less than a year later, Joshua Wade is being linked to the murder of another woman. Is he the man who used Mindy’s card at the ATM? And will the mysterious witness be able to identify him? FBI agents can’t help but wonder.
“He definitely became someone that we had to focus some attention on, and we had to look at.”
A year after his release from prison for evidence tampering in the murder of Della Brown, the FBI is now questioning Joshua Wade’s role in the disappearance of Mindy Schloss.
“Even though he did have some past history in the state of Alaska with his acquittal on the brutal murder of Della Brown, we still could not specifically target Joshua Wade because we had no idea whether he was involved or not.”
For weeks, Special Agents Mike Thorson and Jolene Goden have searched for a witness they saw on the Credit Union 1 ATM footage. They hope the witness will give them the break they need and identify the man using Mindy’s ATM card. They finally track him down.
“We interviewed him approximately a week to two weeks later.”
“Absolutely, I saw—I saw that guy.”
“I can’t describe him for you. It was 4:00 in the morning. It was dark.”
And a potential lead that we thought we might have, turned out we didn’t have anything. But FBI scent dogs have confirmed the connection between Mindy’s car and Joshua Wade’s house. And the evidence is starting to point in one direction. Inside Wade’s house, the FBI and Anchorage police execute a search warrant. They make some startling discoveries. Take a look at this.
“We found a jacket and it was the same jacket on the ATM video, and inside the pocket of that jacket was an ATM receipt showing a withdrawal from Mindy Schloss’s account.”
Investigators also find a woman’s watch. That gold watch was further identified by a close friend of Mindy’s as more than likely being Mindy’s.
“Grab the shoes.”
Scent samples taken directly from Wade’s belongings confirm suspicions.
“We collected scent out of Josh Wade’s shoes in his closet and also we obtained scent from the jacket and we used that scent to kind of narrow it down to Josh Wade.”
Agents are more confident than ever that Wade is an extreme danger to society.
“We actually had a connection between the car and the ATM in the house. And so, Josh Wade, if he didn’t do it, he at least knew something about it or was connected somehow.”
Agents scrambled to put Wade behind bars as quickly as possible. With no body, they still don’t have enough evidence to bring murder charges against him. But they do have enough to pursue bank fraud and aggravated identity theft charges.
“Aggravated identity theft had a 2-year mandatory minimum sentence. And what that is, you’re using Mindy Schloss’s ATM card in a manner that involved violence.”
Two years should buy agents enough time to find Mindy, who is now presumed dead, and to build an airtight murder case. But first, they have to locate Joshua Wade. Unfortunately, there’s a catch: he’s gone into hiding. On August 29th, 2007, more than 3 weeks after Mindy vanished, a federal arrest warrant is issued for Wade. And the biggest manhunt in Anchorage history gets underway.
“Trying to find Joshua Wade turned out to be a difficult task. APD and FBI hit the streets, tried to find him almost on a daily basis. Discovered that we were minutes, hours behind where he had just been.”
Wade’s father, Greg, is overwhelmed.
“I wanted so much to believe I may have been wrong, and he may not have committed the first homicide, and then here another woman ends up missing that’s had contact with my son. I was just devastated.”
He makes a public appeal to his son.
“I love him. I love you, Josh. I want you to turn yourself in.”
Wade’s friend, Christina Greaser, has been following news coverage of Mindy’s disappearance. She’s horrified when she sees the ATM surveillance footage.
“My daughter had pointed out, she goes, ‘Oh my god, looks like he’s wearing a backpack.'”
“Oh my god, I gave him a ride today, and he left his backpack in my car.”
They rush out to the car and look inside Wade’s bag. In the backpack, there was a half a bottle of alcohol. He had, like, a wallet that had his old prison ID card, lot of bank receipts. There was also a cell phone in there that had pictures of a gun on it.
“Looks like a gun.”
“Oh my god.”
Christina calls the police and tells them everything she knows. To her surprise, Joshua Wade shows up at her East Anchorage apartment within hours. Christina is standing face to face with a suspected killer and she’s terrified.
“Josh wanted my daughter to give him a ride out to Wasilla. He said he had something to take care of out in Wasilla and to pick up some CDs and other personal belongings that he owned at the time.”
“Josh, I can’t.”
“Okay, I need your ride.”
At that point, she made the excuse to go into the apartment for a cigarette. When she made her phone calls, words ensued with both of them and he got angry and ended up leaving. Christina calls Anchorage police just as Wade flees to a nearby apartment. She was following him on foot with her cell phone, giving updates to the SWAT team members as to where he was.
“Hey.”
He knocks on the door of an apartment and asks to use the phone, then pushes his way in.
“Hey, what are you doing? Sit down, dude! Hey, sit down, don’t even mess with me now.”
There were a brother and sister that lived in the apartment and he eventually let the brother leave and the sister stayed in the apartment. When a policeman knocks on the door, Wade tells officers to stand back and that he has a hostage.
“Joshua Wade at that point was considered armed, dangerous, but law enforcement—Anchorage Police, along with ourselves—had no idea whether he was armed or not.”
Every on-duty Anchorage police officer, FBI agent, SWAT member, and K-9 unit stands at the ready, guns drawn, prepared to fire.
“I was thinking they’re finally going to get him. Well, this is it. They’ve got him.”
On the morning of September 2nd, 2007, residents of a sleepy East Anchorage apartment complex awake to SWAT teams banging on their doors. Suspected murderer Joshua Wade has taken a woman hostage inside an apartment, and the standoff between him and the FBI has shut down the neighborhood.
“This whole road was blocked off. No traffic was allowed through.”
Authorities wait anxiously as a negotiator tries to convince Wade to give himself up.
“Police department.”
“Well, he’s relieved that we found them. Now, you’re waiting until such time that he actually gets in handcuffs and he gets in the car. Your job’s still not over.”
Wade has already gotten away with one murder. Now he has to decide whether to turn himself in and risk being convicted…
“What do you want?”
…or risk being shot during a standoff.
“Yeah.”
At 11:40 a.m., Wade decides to surrender.
“Fine.”
And let his hostage go.
“I was relieved. And one of the undercover FBI agents that we had dealt with, he came up towards us and everything and gave us a hug, and I was finally like, ‘we can sleep at night.'”
Officers cuff Wade and take him to FBI headquarters for questioning. Agent Thorson needs a confession if he has any hope of getting justice for Mindy, but he takes an unusual tactic.
“I explained that we had charged him with bank fraud and explained that bank fraud—he had used the ATM card of another individual without that person’s permission.”
“No, you’re assuming that. You guys assume this. You guys assume all this.”
“No, we don’t assume. We have a little bit more than assume. We actually talked to Mindy, you know?”
“H… what did you just say? They say we talked to Mindy? You guys trying to play a game with me, man?”
“I stated we had spoke with Mindy Schloss, which was not true. We had not spoke with her.”
He almost smiled and smirked. That’s when he said, “You’re both with me.” Agent Thorson is certain Wade knows exactly what happened to Mindy.
“When he smirked and smiled to me, she was dead.”
Joshua Wade is transferred to the Anchorage Jail. On September 11th, 2007, he is indicted on fraud charges. It’s now been more than a month since Mindy Schloss disappeared. Without a body, agents can’t build a murder case against Joshua Wade. Then, on September 13th, a workman reports a gruesome discovery about an hour north of Anchorage.
“He got out of his truck, walked back in the woods, saw something that didn’t look right to him, walked up, and saw that it was what appeared to be a human body.”
Investigators race to the scene. The body has been burned but appears to be female. Investigators carefully search the area and find a bullet and a shell casing. Dental analysis soon confirms that the body is in fact 52-year-old Mindy Schloss.
“Once they found her body, you couldn’t really put yourself in a denial position anymore. It’s really hard because it was a confirmation of everything you knew in your heart.”
While Mindy’s friends grieve, agents begin building an airtight case against Joshua Wade.
“Now we had new evidence and new leads to follow. It was definitely big for the case to find her body.”
Scent dogs confirm that Wade had been at the location where Mindy’s body was discovered. Agents also take DNA samples from Mindy and swab the wheel of Mindy’s car, which they presume was driven by Wade. Those DNA swabs were then turned in to the State of Alaska Crime Lab. And the crime lab then came back with DNA matching Joshua Wade. The match puts Wade at the scene of the crime and this time there’s no getting away with it. Wade is indicted on eight counts, including murder, carjacking, and aggravated identity theft. He vehemently denies it, even to his father.
“I said, ‘If you did this, I want you to face up to it. I want you to tell the truth.’ And he sat right there and looked me in the eyes and told me he did not do it.”
But it’s not long before Wade realizes he’s backed into a corner. Rather than risk going to trial and losing, he pleads guilty and admits to torturing and killing Mindy Schloss. He tells investigators a chilling story. In the early morning hours of August 4th, Wade broke into Mindy’s home with the intent to commit burglary. Once inside, he bound her hands and legs with black zip ties, then gagged her with a rag and wrapped the tape around her head.
“You start thinking about the horrifying emotional fear and trauma and terror that she went through. I mean that’s heinous, you know? That’s not human to do that to somebody else.”
Then, he forced Mindy to give up her debit card PIN number and shoved her into the backseat of her car and eventually drove her to was approximately 50 some miles, about an hour’s drive. Mindy lay helpless in the backseat. Wade pulled into an undeveloped subdivision and parked the car in a wooded cul-de-sac. He made her get out of the car, walk down the path.
“He shot her in the back of the head.”
Wade returned to Mindy’s home and tried to conceal his crime. He made her bed, he stole her watch, and dumped her car at the airport. In the days after the murder, he withdrew cash from Mindy’s accounts, then returned to the woods to burn Mindy’s body.
“I think he had an innate anger and a viciousness, and the demons would come out, and he could not control that anger and hatred towards other people and especially towards women.”
After admitting to Mindy’s murder, Wade strikes a deal with prosecutors. If he also confesses to Della Brown’s murder, he will be spared the death penalty for his crimes.
“Now everybody was going to know who killed Della. I always knew in my heart who killed Della, but he was going to admit it. I mean, I could have almost walked on air that day.”
At his sentencing hearing, Wade reads an 11-minute statement.
“Friends.”
“I’m kind of glad I got caught.”
“And did you murder Della Brown, Mr. Wade?”
“I am admitting to the murder and the murder alone of Della Brown, your honor.”
Wade is sentenced to 99 years in prison without parole for the murder of Mindy Schloss.
“You want someone to admit they’re wrong, but it didn’t bring Mindy back and it didn’t bring Della back. Um, I’ll always have that loss. This, this monster that could just take somebody out in the woods and shoot them in the back of the head resembles nobody that I knew. Nobody.”
For FBI agents and Anchorage police, there is relief that justice has been served for not just one, but two women.
“Joshua Wade was definitely a serial killer in the making in that he had no regard for human life. He admitted to killing two women. Two women that he didn’t know; they had never crossed him. Two very innocent women. And so I think we definitely, we definitely got somebody off the street that needed to be off the street.”
